[wsas-java-dev] positioning of wsas "embeddable" version

Fri Feb 9 20:24:50 PST 2007

Excellent! However we need to figure out a JDK 1.4 story too ..

Sanjiva.

saminda abeyruwan wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> The current release of embedded Tomcat is "apache-tomcat-5.5.20", and
> the zip distribution is approximately 3.1 MB, where all Jetty related
> jars sum up to approximately 1 MB.
> 
> With preliminary testings, we've started WSAS on Embedded Tomcat (JDK
> 1.5  {Need compatibility kit for JDK 1.4}), and the initial starting
> time of WSAS is approximately 9-11 Sec, when its come to Jetty is around
> approximately 18-20 Sec. Thus, we have a boost in startup time and the
> distro will gain in size.
> 
> Even it preliminary setup, Embedded Tomcat has shown improvements in
> performance (intuitive) than Jetty.
> 
> With props and cons, +1 to Embedded Tomcat distribution of WSAS
> standalone edition.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Saminda
> 
> Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>> Definitely +1 for embeddable Tomcat. Will there be a majorly noticeable
>> change in the size of the distro?
>>
>> WS Container sounds like a good name for the servlet edition .. but I
>> agree with not changing the name again. Also, servlet edition is
>> accurate- it runs as a servlet! We can later do a say a JCA edition ..
>> which would run as a JCA connector (Paul had some ideas on how to do
>> this and IIRC did a proto too). (No hurry for this AFAIK but maybe
>> something to give like an intern to play with to build up. Paul?)
>>
>> MOST DEFINITELY +1 for making WSAS standalone edition top of the line!
>> There's no reason whatsoever why we can't become that next runtime
>> people run in their infra without question.
>>
>> Sanjiva.
>>
>> Afkham Azeez wrote:
>>> Please Note: Embeddable version is now called WSO2 WSAS Servlet Edition.
>>>
>>> I also was discussing the possibility of replacing Jetty(We do not use
>>> commons HTTP) with embeddable  Tomcat. We observed that WSAS runs faster
>>> on Tomcat than with Jetty. Shall we switch to embeddable Tomcat and
>>> scrap the Jetty integration code? I'm sure Amila & Sandakith will jump
>>> in and help us :)
>>>
>>> +1 for placing more emphasis, in terms of marketing/PR, on the
>>> servlet-edition. An App Server which runs within an App Server sounds a
>>> bit weird. May be we can call the servlet-edition "WSO2 Web Services
>>> Container". We need to test it on more J2EE App servers such as
>>> Webshere/Weblogic, and improve the installer to include these servers.
>>>
>>> IMHO, we should also develop the standalone edition to be a industry
>>> grade server. If JBoss/Tomcat can do it, certainly can we. Some people
>>> may want a lightweight container to simply host Web services.
>>>
>>> One other thing, it may not be too good to change the name of the
>>> product too frequently.
>>>
>>> -- Azeez
>>>
>>>
>>> Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> My perspective is that the embeddable version would be the more
>>>> appealing version for the enterprise customer (and even for the average
>>>> developer. I'm sure most of the developers have tomcat or similar
>>>> servlet container running in their machines. Judging by the mailing
>>>> lists for Axis2 - which I believe is equally applicable to WSAS - we can
>>>> definitely say the major interest is in the embeddable version. FYI some
>>>> guys here didn't have a clue that Axis2/WSAS ships with a default
>>>> server!)
>>>>
>>>> I would say the standalone version (at the current state) would be
>>>> appealing to a developer just to have a feeling about or perhaps
>>>> develop/debug on it for a while. But actual deployment is more likely to
>>>> happen on an industry grade server, at least tomcat.
>>>>
>>>> As a suggestion while putting the embeddable version in the front, would
>>>> it be worth to have a more robust standalone version based on tomcat ?
>>>> I'm sure tomcat can be stripped down to a bare minimum and WSAS attached
>>>> to it without much effort [We do have tomcat experts around. Both Amila
>>>> and Sandakith do know all the ins and outs of tomcat :)]. This can be
>>>> shipped as a complete server package (of course with the modules
>>>> preconfigured) to any of the interested parties who want to start from
>>>> scratch. We can even admit that we are using the 'proven tomcat
>>>> platform', which certainly will be better received than commons HTTP  :)
>>>>
>>>> Ajith
>>>>
>>>> Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>>>>> Hi Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been wondering lately whether we're over-positioning the
>>>>> standalone
>>>>> version compared to the version that runs on top of
>>>>> JBoss/WL/WAS/Geronimo etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason is that the standalone version is a disruptive story. That
>>>>> is, customers have to put up our *server* as a key part of their
>>>>> mission
>>>>> critical infrastructure. That's a harder sell than say putting up a bit
>>>>> of code in their already running server platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> A HUGE advantage we have over the WS stacks of any *one* of
>>>>> JBoss/WL/WAS/etc. is that ours runs on all of them. Many customers have
>>>>> more than one of these app servers in production and having a single
>>>>> high performant WS-* stack that works the same on all of them would be
>>>>> quite valuable as they don't have to muck around with app-server
>>>>> specific details. This is especially awesome once we start performing
>>>>> better than JBoss-WS on JBoss etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think? We need to work on adjusting the PR and messaging if
>>>>> we're to make the "embeddable" version more appealing ... starting with
>>>>> coming up with a better name for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sanjiva.
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